Habit - with Michal Stawicki | Epi.25
Active Action PodcastApril 10, 2025
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Habit - with Michal Stawicki | Epi.25

In this episode of the Active Action Podcast, host Dr. Nazif interviews Michal Stawicki, a bestselling author and business coach known as Mr. Consistency. Michael shares his expertise on habits, explaining the science behind habit formation and offering practical tips for breaking bad habits. He emphasizes the importance of avoiding triggers, saturating oneself with good habits, and ensuring consistency. Michael also discusses life-changing factors and methods to adopt reliable habits, drawing from his extensive research and personal experience. The episode includes details about Michael’s books and provides listeners with actionable strategies for personal development and achieving success through consistent daily actions.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why the “21/30/90 days to form a habit” myth is misleading
  • The science-backed truth about how long it really takes to build a habit
  • How to break bad habits by understanding the habit loop: Trigger → Action → Endpoint
  • Simple strategies to avoid triggers that lead to unwanted behaviors
  • How changing your environment or social circle can reshape your lifestyle
  • The 4 major life-changing factors according to Stanford research (plus one bonus insight!)
  • Why consistency beats ambition when it comes to success
  • Michael’s secret to success — and how it’s rooted in small, repeatable actions
  • Tips for building a reliable habit routine that sticks
  • How habits apply not only to personal growth, but also to health, relationships, and business

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00:00:00 --> 00:00:04 Find the trigger and avoid it. Right. So, for
00:00:04 --> 00:00:07 example, you are going to walking to your work
00:00:07 --> 00:00:11 next to a pastry shop every day and you every
00:00:11 --> 00:00:13 day stop for a donut. Just change your route.
00:00:14 --> 00:00:18 There is no shop on your way. There is no trigger.
00:00:18 --> 00:00:21 You won't buy a donut. Voila. Done. I forgot
00:00:21 --> 00:00:25 about one method to remedy bad habits. It's just
00:00:25 --> 00:00:27 saturate yourself with good habits. Then you
00:00:27 --> 00:00:31 don't just don't have time. and mental space
00:00:31 --> 00:00:33 to do the bad habits because you are occupied
00:00:33 --> 00:00:38 with whatever you are striving for. That's why
00:00:38 --> 00:00:40 also the morning ritual is so powerful. You are
00:00:40 --> 00:00:45 waking up every day. So for me, it's like I go
00:00:45 --> 00:00:49 to the bathroom and then I do a series of push
00:00:49 --> 00:00:54 -ups, some other devices. I gulp two, three glasses
00:00:54 --> 00:00:58 of water. I stretch while listening to a podcast.
00:00:59 --> 00:01:02 And the secret to success is consistency always.
00:01:02 --> 00:01:06 Come on. Because this is how you build skills.
00:01:07 --> 00:01:11 And why is that the key to success? Because we
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00:03:14 --> 00:03:17 episode. So today we are going to talk about
00:03:17 --> 00:03:20 habits and we have a very special and... knowledgeable
00:03:20 --> 00:03:25 guest with us i'll introduce to you michal nickname
00:03:25 --> 00:03:29 Mr. consistency michal is a best -selling author
00:03:29 --> 00:03:31 in the personal development field and a business
00:03:31 --> 00:03:35 coach he is obsessed with changing the world
00:03:35 --> 00:03:39 through daily habits starting with his own habits
00:03:39 --> 00:03:43 and his world michael preaches and practices
00:03:43 --> 00:03:47 consistent daily action he believes this is the
00:03:47 --> 00:03:52 means to achieve in any area of life from parenting
00:03:52 --> 00:03:56 to business. So as your listeners, we'll be talking
00:03:56 --> 00:04:00 about habits this morning with Michael, best
00:04:00 --> 00:04:03 -selling author in the personal development field
00:04:03 --> 00:04:06 and a business coach. So I'm very excited to
00:04:06 --> 00:04:11 share his words of wisdom with you wonderful
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 audiences. So without further ado, dear Michael,
00:04:14 --> 00:04:17 thank you so much for joining again in this podcast
00:04:17 --> 00:04:20 this morning. Would you like to introduce yourself
00:04:20 --> 00:04:23 with our audiences? Thank you for having me.
00:04:23 --> 00:04:26 That's an honor always to be in front of someone
00:04:26 --> 00:04:29 else's audience. Best -selling author. I sold
00:04:29 --> 00:04:33 about 100 copies of my books. I have a book
00:04:33 --> 00:04:36 advertising business, which is at the moment
00:04:36 --> 00:04:40 my main source of income. Thank you so much,
00:04:40 --> 00:04:42 Michael. I'm really excited to know about your
00:04:42 --> 00:04:46 book as well. Can I ask, because we are talking
00:04:46 --> 00:04:48 about habits today, dear Michael, what are the
00:04:48 --> 00:04:52 most popular habit myths nowadays? The ones about
00:04:52 --> 00:04:56 how long it takes to develop a habit. Because
00:04:56 --> 00:05:01 there are, you know, legends around. Okay, it's
00:05:01 --> 00:05:04 30 days, it's 21 days, it's 90 days. And it's
00:05:04 --> 00:05:07 none of it and all of it. There is only a single
00:05:07 --> 00:05:10 research and methodology. But they conclude that
00:05:10 --> 00:05:16 it takes from 18. to 254 days. And 66 days was
00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 the average. So it's not about how long. It's
00:05:19 --> 00:05:23 about consistency. It's about sustainability.
00:05:23 --> 00:05:27 Because how we create the habit in our brains,
00:05:27 --> 00:05:31 we repeat, repeat, repeat consistently. So if
00:05:31 --> 00:05:34 you one morning do your habit, the second no,
00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 the other do. Well, maybe you will develop a
00:05:38 --> 00:05:40 habit that every second that you are doing it,
00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 and also it's so much easier actually to do something
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 daily, regularly, like there are no exceptions.
00:05:48 --> 00:05:51 Then you're... because our brains are good at
00:05:51 --> 00:05:54 recognizing patterns. So the brain sees the pattern.
00:05:55 --> 00:05:58 Okay. This time, this place, we are doing this.
00:05:59 --> 00:06:04 Okay. We can code that. Thank you for explaining
00:06:04 --> 00:06:08 that. we do have habits like that are good and
00:06:08 --> 00:06:11 that are bad and sometimes habits like become
00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 a part of our daily life even if we want to like
00:06:14 --> 00:06:17 get rid of them it's very difficult to overcome
00:06:17 --> 00:06:20 that and i'm talking specifically about bad habits
00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 you know so can i ask you what do you think are
00:06:23 --> 00:06:28 some of the ways to break bad habits and which
00:06:28 --> 00:06:33 is the best so again like this is very human
00:06:33 --> 00:06:38 thing so There are many correct responses to
00:06:38 --> 00:06:41 that question, but because there are some people
00:06:41 --> 00:06:44 who decide, okay, I will stop smoking today and
00:06:44 --> 00:06:51 that's it. Okay. This is not, well, easy transferable
00:06:51 --> 00:06:54 to others yet how to implement it in your life,
00:06:55 --> 00:07:01 especially if you... You know, decide, okay,
00:07:01 --> 00:07:03 I will quit. And then you don't. And you feel
00:07:03 --> 00:07:06 like a failure and there's emotional trauma and
00:07:06 --> 00:07:11 so on. That's one thing. But actually to break
00:07:11 --> 00:07:14 a bad habit, a habit is a narrow loop in our
00:07:14 --> 00:07:18 brain. So lobotomy is the only option in reality.
00:07:19 --> 00:07:22 You need to get rid of those connections in the
00:07:22 --> 00:07:26 brain. But that's, of course, not a reliable
00:07:26 --> 00:07:29 method. So the other way is to reprogram this
00:07:29 --> 00:07:34 loop in your brain. So habit loop looks like
00:07:34 --> 00:07:39 that. There is a trigger, then action, then the
00:07:39 --> 00:07:43 endpoint of the habit. For example, I stop at
00:07:43 --> 00:07:47 the train platform waiting for a train. I meditate.
00:07:47 --> 00:07:49 And when the train arrives, that's the endpoint
00:07:49 --> 00:07:53 of my habit. I end meditation. This is the loop.
00:07:54 --> 00:07:57 In order to reprogram what you have in your head,
00:07:58 --> 00:08:03 keep the same trigger and you change the action.
00:08:04 --> 00:08:09 So that's why it works for smokers to chew the
00:08:09 --> 00:08:14 gum. Because then trigger is the same. I feel
00:08:14 --> 00:08:17 uneasy. I need to do something with my hands.
00:08:17 --> 00:08:22 I need to feel something in my mouth. The action
00:08:22 --> 00:08:24 is totally different. Yeah, you are chewing a
00:08:24 --> 00:08:33 gum. And that way, when you overwrite this program
00:08:33 --> 00:08:36 enough times, it will be your new default. But
00:08:36 --> 00:08:39 this is a very arduous process, and I recommend
00:08:39 --> 00:08:45 it only for serious, serious problems like drug
00:08:45 --> 00:08:48 addiction, alcoholism, and so on, because it
00:08:48 --> 00:08:52 takes a lot of effort. Really, it's worth it
00:08:52 --> 00:08:57 to invest so much mental energy into something
00:08:57 --> 00:09:02 like this. So the shortcut that I would say is
00:09:02 --> 00:09:08 the best shortcut is to find the trigger and
00:09:08 --> 00:09:13 avoid it. So, for example, you are going to walking
00:09:13 --> 00:09:16 to your work next to a pastry shop every day
00:09:16 --> 00:09:19 and you every day stop for a donut. Just change
00:09:19 --> 00:09:24 your route. There is no shop on your way. There
00:09:24 --> 00:09:26 is no trigger. You won't buy a donut. Voila.
00:09:26 --> 00:09:32 Done. That's how I, for example, quit on playing
00:09:32 --> 00:09:37 computer games. My actual trigger was just this
00:09:37 --> 00:09:42 mix of boredom, existential void. I just wanted
00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 to escape from my life. So when I started to
00:09:45 --> 00:09:49 have a purpose in my life... Stopped to be necessary
00:09:49 --> 00:09:53 for me and I stopped playing. Oh, wonderful.
00:09:54 --> 00:09:57 Thank you so much for sharing those very helpful
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 tips and words of wisdom, Michael. And I know
00:10:00 --> 00:10:04 many people, they really find it difficult to
00:10:04 --> 00:10:07 break through their habits and even for smokers
00:10:07 --> 00:10:09 to trying to quit for many years, but they're
00:10:09 --> 00:10:12 unable to. So I really like how you mentioned
00:10:12 --> 00:10:16 to avoid the trigger point. I am confident that
00:10:16 --> 00:10:20 the listeners will. feel that as helpful i wanted
00:10:20 --> 00:10:23 to ask you again you being like professional
00:10:23 --> 00:10:27 development coach and you know you know a lot
00:10:27 --> 00:10:31 about business business is actually life and
00:10:31 --> 00:10:35 they're interconnected so many people do want
00:10:35 --> 00:10:38 to like change their lives to change from their
00:10:38 --> 00:10:42 existence from where they are to having a better
00:10:42 --> 00:10:45 purposeful life so can you Let me know, what
00:10:45 --> 00:10:54 are the life -changing factors? So that was conclusion
00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 of BJ Fogg from Stanford University, that there
00:10:57 --> 00:11:01 are only three life -changing factors. Actually,
00:11:01 --> 00:11:04 I think there are four. First is enlightenment.
00:11:05 --> 00:11:08 Okay, so you just got struck with the light from
00:11:08 --> 00:11:12 the sky and you change your light. Yes, it happens.
00:11:12 --> 00:11:15 Yeah, there are... such records in human history,
00:11:15 --> 00:11:19 but not often. And you cannot count on it, you
00:11:19 --> 00:11:23 cannot engineer an enlightenment. I had once
00:11:23 --> 00:11:26 a coaching client who tried to engineer enlightenment
00:11:26 --> 00:11:32 with, you know, hallucinating mushrooms. Yeah,
00:11:33 --> 00:11:37 so some people get this like different spiritual
00:11:37 --> 00:11:41 experience when they take them, but... But for
00:11:41 --> 00:11:44 him, it didn't work. You cannot engineer. You
00:11:44 --> 00:11:51 can maybe create an environment which supports
00:11:51 --> 00:11:55 it, but not really engineer it. The second way
00:11:55 --> 00:12:02 to change your life is to change a job, change
00:12:02 --> 00:12:05 a school, change a city, change a country. You
00:12:05 --> 00:12:08 can change your life because you are in a totally
00:12:08 --> 00:12:11 different set of circumstances. And especially
00:12:11 --> 00:12:16 if you, you know, do it on purpose. So I want
00:12:16 --> 00:12:19 to be more fit and healthy. So I will attend
00:12:19 --> 00:12:21 some classes. I will hang out with people who
00:12:21 --> 00:12:25 play basketball every evening or whatever. Yeah.
00:12:25 --> 00:12:33 And that way you will change because you put
00:12:33 --> 00:12:36 yourself in a new environment. So it's a new
00:12:36 --> 00:12:40 set of rules. You lose some triggers. If you
00:12:40 --> 00:12:43 move from one country to another, you lose plenty
00:12:43 --> 00:12:46 of triggers in your life, so your habits can
00:12:46 --> 00:12:49 change. And actually, the most reliable way is
00:12:49 --> 00:12:54 to change your habits. Because, yes, we can change
00:12:54 --> 00:12:58 our habits. We can break or quit our bad habits.
00:12:58 --> 00:13:01 We can develop new habits. Actually, I'm finding
00:13:01 --> 00:13:04 developing new habits much, much easier than
00:13:04 --> 00:13:07 trying to break a bad habit. And I forgot about
00:13:07 --> 00:13:10 one method. to remedy bad habits is just saturate
00:13:10 --> 00:13:13 yourself with good habits. Then you just don't
00:13:13 --> 00:13:17 have time and mental space to do the bad habits
00:13:17 --> 00:13:21 because you are occupied with whatever you are
00:13:21 --> 00:13:25 striving for. So why habits are the most variable?
00:13:26 --> 00:13:29 Because we can actually change it. We can make
00:13:29 --> 00:13:32 a strategy, follow it. If we fail, we can amend
00:13:32 --> 00:13:37 it and so on. It's doable. And the fourth way
00:13:38 --> 00:13:42 Which PJ Fogel kind of admitted once on a podcast
00:13:42 --> 00:13:45 is that he underestimated the influence of other
00:13:45 --> 00:13:51 people's on you. And so it's just enough. That's
00:13:51 --> 00:13:54 the shortcut for everything in life. Put yourself,
00:13:55 --> 00:13:57 like spend more time with people you want to
00:13:57 --> 00:14:03 be like. And you will, by osmosis, you will get
00:14:03 --> 00:14:06 the habits. You will get... day level and so
00:14:06 --> 00:14:11 on. That's how kids are learning life. They observe
00:14:11 --> 00:14:14 and they mimic. So we do it subconsciously. It
00:14:14 --> 00:14:18 happens. You need to actually consciously counteract
00:14:18 --> 00:14:22 to not change according to your new social environment.
00:14:23 --> 00:14:27 So that's why I mentioned if you want to be healthy,
00:14:27 --> 00:14:29 come on, change some class. There are plenty
00:14:29 --> 00:14:33 health nuts there and you will become one of
00:14:33 --> 00:14:38 them. You wonderfully explained, Michael. And
00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 when we're talking about life -changing factors,
00:14:41 --> 00:14:45 we are talking about building reliable and good
00:14:45 --> 00:14:48 habits by someone. We know building habits takes
00:14:48 --> 00:14:53 time and takes consistency as patients, consistent
00:14:53 --> 00:14:56 set of practices. Can I ask you, for the benefitter
00:14:56 --> 00:15:01 audiences, how can someone build reliable and
00:15:01 --> 00:15:08 good habits? So it's good to start with the knowledge
00:15:08 --> 00:15:11 about habit. This basic knowledge, how habit
00:15:11 --> 00:15:15 looks like trigger, action, endpoint, because
00:15:15 --> 00:15:20 then you can design it or rather try to design
00:15:20 --> 00:15:24 because, no, the first idea doesn't have to be
00:15:24 --> 00:15:28 right. You will try and decide, no, I cannot
00:15:28 --> 00:15:31 go to the gym. It's just too much hassle, long
00:15:31 --> 00:15:34 commute, and then I need to change my clothes.
00:15:34 --> 00:15:38 No. I will work out at home and it works. She
00:15:38 --> 00:15:42 needs to go to the gym. It's an effort for her
00:15:42 --> 00:15:46 to work out alone. For me, I just feel like it's
00:15:46 --> 00:15:49 a waste of time to commute 10 minutes to the
00:15:49 --> 00:15:56 gym when I can exercise at home. But I would
00:15:56 --> 00:16:02 say 80 % of the success is the trigger. The trigger
00:16:02 --> 00:16:07 which is... solid you can rely on it it's predictably
00:16:07 --> 00:16:10 repeating that's why for example the morning
00:16:10 --> 00:16:18 ritual is so common because everybody wakes up
00:16:18 --> 00:16:21 in the morning that's the trigger to start the
00:16:21 --> 00:16:24 ritual for me i immediately go to the bathroom
00:16:24 --> 00:16:27 and then i do another thing and the other thing
00:16:27 --> 00:16:30 and we all have some morning rituals and people
00:16:30 --> 00:16:34 just hit the snooze button a few times others
00:16:34 --> 00:16:38 are starting from a coffee and so on and so on
00:16:38 --> 00:16:41 but that's the most reliable habit everyone has
00:16:41 --> 00:16:44 it in their lives and the next best is actually
00:16:44 --> 00:16:48 a habit you already have that's why also the
00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 morning ritual is so powerful you are waking
00:16:50 --> 00:16:54 up every day so for me it's like i go to the
00:16:54 --> 00:16:58 bathroom and then i do a series of push -ups
00:16:58 --> 00:17:04 some other devices i got two, three glasses of
00:17:04 --> 00:17:07 water. I stretch while listening to a podcast.
00:17:08 --> 00:17:11 I pray. I repeat my personal mission statement.
00:17:12 --> 00:17:16 So this is a string. One activity ends, the other
00:17:16 --> 00:17:21 is starting. The end point for one habit is the
00:17:21 --> 00:17:23 trigger for another. That's why it's reliable.
00:17:23 --> 00:17:28 It's already in your brain. So then you can build
00:17:28 --> 00:17:33 on it. Speaking of... shortcuts. Developing a
00:17:33 --> 00:17:38 habit is also about just, you know, saving this
00:17:38 --> 00:17:42 habit loop. So if you can perform it multiple
00:17:42 --> 00:17:46 times a day, you will develop much, much faster
00:17:46 --> 00:17:49 the habit. For example, you can decide, okay,
00:17:49 --> 00:17:52 every time I go through the door, I will smile.
00:17:53 --> 00:17:56 And because we are going through the doors so
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 many times a day, Okay, of course, the first
00:17:59 --> 00:18:03 day you will fail half of the time, but the second
00:18:03 --> 00:18:07 will be a bit better. And in a matter of weeks,
00:18:07 --> 00:18:10 not months, you will have it automatic, completely
00:18:10 --> 00:18:13 automatic, because you repeated it so many times.
00:18:13 --> 00:18:15 So always in the same circumstances, the same
00:18:15 --> 00:18:19 thing happens, so your brain recognizes it. For
00:18:19 --> 00:18:22 example, I had one of my small habits to improve
00:18:22 --> 00:18:27 fitness was whenever I have... some stairs in
00:18:27 --> 00:18:30 front of me, I will run instead of walking. And
00:18:30 --> 00:18:34 yeah, I implemented that. I forgot about that.
00:18:34 --> 00:18:37 It became automating. I remember several months
00:18:37 --> 00:18:42 down the road, I'm at work going to the second
00:18:42 --> 00:18:45 floor and someone was in front of me, so I couldn't
00:18:45 --> 00:18:49 run and I felt uneasy. What's going on here?
00:18:49 --> 00:18:53 Okay, my body wants to run because I'm on stage.
00:18:55 --> 00:18:58 Okay, thank you so much, Michael, for sharing
00:18:58 --> 00:19:00 that tips and tricks with our audiences, and
00:19:00 --> 00:19:04 I'm sure they'll find that helpful. Also, at
00:19:04 --> 00:19:06 this point, I just want to let you guys know,
00:19:06 --> 00:19:11 if you do want to know more about Michael, and
00:19:11 --> 00:19:14 if you have any questions regarding habits or
00:19:14 --> 00:19:16 anything you would like to connect with Michael,
00:19:16 --> 00:19:20 you can do that by visiting our website, www
00:19:20 --> 00:19:24 .activeaction .fm. And just search Michael's
00:19:24 --> 00:19:28 name and you'll find his links to his bio and
00:19:28 --> 00:19:31 social. So if you want to connect with him, that's
00:19:31 --> 00:19:34 there. Apart from that, Michael, I wanted to
00:19:34 --> 00:19:38 now know a bit about you, your work. Can you
00:19:38 --> 00:19:41 tell me, I know you're a very successful author
00:19:41 --> 00:19:44 and business coach. So can you share a bit about
00:19:44 --> 00:19:47 your success with our audiences? Like what's
00:19:47 --> 00:19:51 your secret to success? And the secret to success
00:19:51 --> 00:19:55 is consistency always, come on. Because this
00:19:55 --> 00:20:00 is how you build skills. And why is that the
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 key to success? Because we are wired for that.
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 There is a great book, The Talent Code, which
00:20:06 --> 00:20:11 talks about, yes, yet again, research. They try
00:20:11 --> 00:20:18 to figure out why in some places, like... One
00:20:18 --> 00:20:24 sport event makes like the whole nation to start
00:20:24 --> 00:20:28 training something and be successful at it. And
00:20:28 --> 00:20:32 they research, but in the short, it's biology.
00:20:33 --> 00:20:36 In our brains, when we repeat something, we create
00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 a neural path. Then when we repeat it more and
00:20:39 --> 00:20:43 more, it becomes more robust, wider, stronger.
00:20:44 --> 00:20:48 And then when we keep doing that, A substance
00:20:48 --> 00:20:52 called myelin is like encompassing this neural
00:20:52 --> 00:20:55 path and the impulses are even stronger and even
00:20:55 --> 00:20:59 faster. So we are biologically wired to improve
00:20:59 --> 00:21:04 on anything we do consistently. And it applies
00:21:04 --> 00:21:07 to everything. I was a database administrator
00:21:07 --> 00:21:12 in my day job. And I sat next to the guy who
00:21:12 --> 00:21:15 was expert. He wasn't that interested in databases,
00:21:15 --> 00:21:19 but he was the expert. went to microsoft conferences
00:21:19 --> 00:21:24 and he was correcting trail game because he knew
00:21:24 --> 00:21:28 more so i sit next to him for a few years then
00:21:28 --> 00:21:33 change job i got a very challenging project and
00:21:33 --> 00:21:37 i crashed it and i was like how come like i didn't
00:21:37 --> 00:21:42 really have the skills i credited all to sitting
00:21:42 --> 00:21:45 next to bogdan for a few years like i just absorbed
00:21:45 --> 00:21:48 something This is what I was talking about earlier.
00:21:49 --> 00:21:52 We are mimicking at every level, even when it
00:21:52 --> 00:21:56 comes to such abstract concepts like managing
00:21:56 --> 00:22:01 or optimizing a database. Right. Thank you so
00:22:01 --> 00:22:04 much. Wonderful explanation. And I really agree
00:22:04 --> 00:22:07 with you, Michael. It's very important to stay
00:22:07 --> 00:22:10 patient, but most importantly, to stay consistent
00:22:10 --> 00:22:13 if you do want to achieve a particular goal.
00:22:13 --> 00:22:16 Can you please let us know a little bit? About
00:22:16 --> 00:22:20 your books, Michael. So what have you written
00:22:20 --> 00:22:22 about and what can our listeners get to learn
00:22:22 --> 00:22:28 or get to know from those? So my books are about
00:22:28 --> 00:22:32 personal development. I have 19 older and at
00:22:32 --> 00:22:36 least 16 are based on my own experience and of
00:22:36 --> 00:22:39 course my own studies and some research. But,
00:22:39 --> 00:22:44 you know, I write those tips and methods. I implemented
00:22:44 --> 00:22:47 most of them. And that's how I progressed. So
00:22:47 --> 00:22:52 I documented that and those are my books. Yes,
00:22:52 --> 00:22:55 and I have a couple of co -authored books about
00:22:55 --> 00:23:01 stories, about habits. 99 Habit Stories, for
00:23:01 --> 00:23:04 example. And you can find my books, of course,
00:23:04 --> 00:23:07 on Amazon, but they should be everywhere. I use
00:23:07 --> 00:23:11 distributors. Wherever you can find books, my
00:23:11 --> 00:23:14 books should be there. And these are like very
00:23:14 --> 00:23:18 high rated as well. So I really encourage our
00:23:18 --> 00:23:23 audiences to go into the website in Amazon and
00:23:23 --> 00:23:27 check the books out. And I'll just give the link
00:23:27 --> 00:23:29 here. If you're listening to a podcast in audio,
00:23:29 --> 00:23:35 do visit amazon .com slash m -i -c -h -a -l dash
00:23:35 --> 00:23:43 s -t -a -w -i -c -k -i slash e slash b. O -O
00:23:43 --> 00:23:47 -D -O -M -N -D -J -U. And if you do have any
00:23:47 --> 00:23:49 questions, again, please feel free to reach out
00:23:49 --> 00:23:52 to Michael. Thank you so much again for joining
00:23:52 --> 00:23:55 this podcast. And I really wish the best for
00:23:55 --> 00:23:59 you and your future ventures. Before logging
00:23:59 --> 00:24:01 off from the episode, do you want to share anything
00:24:01 --> 00:24:04 with our audiences? Thank you very much, Dr.
00:24:05 --> 00:24:08 Nazir, for having me. It was a pleasure. I always.
00:24:09 --> 00:24:12 I love to talk about habits and share whatever
00:24:12 --> 00:24:17 I learned. So thank you. What can I say to the
00:24:17 --> 00:24:22 audience? Well, I will tell a quote that changed
00:24:22 --> 00:24:25 my life when I read this Light Edge and the whole
00:24:25 --> 00:24:29 book was around this concept. Success is a few
00:24:29 --> 00:24:33 simple disciplines repeated over time. And I
00:24:33 --> 00:24:36 found it very, very true in my life because before
00:24:36 --> 00:24:39 I started writing, I was just a miserable corporate
00:24:39 --> 00:24:43 cog and I wasn't happy with my life. My health
00:24:43 --> 00:24:47 wasn't that great. My relationships were pretty
00:24:47 --> 00:24:52 terrible because I was very, very shy. But I
00:24:52 --> 00:24:56 gave myself a chance. I tried small, repeatable
00:24:56 --> 00:25:00 actions in different areas of my life and it
00:25:00 --> 00:25:03 always worked. You don't have to be ambitious.
00:25:04 --> 00:25:06 You need to be consistent. You need to... Be
00:25:06 --> 00:25:11 able to sustain your activity, not to lose half
00:25:11 --> 00:25:14 of your body weight or run a marathon or whatever
00:25:14 --> 00:25:19 else. Small steps repeated will bring you success.
00:25:21 --> 00:25:24 Thank you so much, dear Michael. Ask my listeners
00:25:24 --> 00:25:26 to take this as food of thought that you need
00:25:26 --> 00:25:31 to be consistent again and you need to have patience
00:25:31 --> 00:25:34 and just work towards your goal and do something
00:25:34 --> 00:25:37 that you like. It's not a good idea just to earn
00:25:37 --> 00:25:40 the livelihood, being stuck on a particular kind
00:25:40 --> 00:25:43 of thing that you don't enjoy. Even if that has
00:25:43 --> 00:25:45 to be done, even if you have to earn your livelihood,
00:25:46 --> 00:25:47 you can definitely do something for your passion
00:25:47 --> 00:25:51 from side, you know, because it's very helpful
00:25:51 --> 00:25:54 for your mental and spiritual well -being. Thank
00:25:54 --> 00:25:56 you so much again, Michael, for sharing those
00:25:56 --> 00:25:58 words of wisdom with our audiences. I wish you
00:25:58 --> 00:26:01 the very best of luck and I'll keep in touch
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